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“I need time off work because of my husband’s alcoholism, boss doesn’t pay freelancers on time, and more” plus 3 more Ask a Manager

“I need time off work because of my husband’s alcoholism, boss doesn’t pay freelancers on time, and more” plus 3 more Ask a Manager


I need time off work because of my husband’s alcoholism, boss doesn’t pay freelancers on time, and more

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 09:03 PM PDT

It's five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. I need time off work because of my husband's alcoholism

My husband is a severe alcoholic, something he has been "dealing with" for 4+ years. He used to be the best spouse and then something happened when he lost a job he had been in for over a decade that changed him. He is highly employable and found a job in the same capacity fairly quickly, but his addiction and behavior have worsened. I've tried getting him help and he doesn't accept it. I'm at my wits end.

Since the pandemic, I've been working from home and because he has a different work schedule, I have experienced his before-work behavior, which involves him getting "a little" intoxicated. Yesterday he hit an all-time low, where he called off from work to drink and basically ruin my work day. Right before a presentation to my team, I found out he had consumed all of the bottles of alcohol and then resorted to drinking rubbing alcohol, which infuriated me and ruined the delivery of my presentation. I wanted to cry the entire time.

I am trying to get him help, which will require me to take a couple days off work, so my question to you is if I should let my boss know what is going on at home. I tend to keep my personal life separate, but my personal life is interfering with my career right now and I am afraid of the possible consequences of this.

I'm so sorry. You don't need to give your boss the details; it's enough just to say you have a personal emergency you need to deal with, or your husband is having a health emergency. If you're asked what's going on (some people will ask not to pry but out of concern about whether you're okay), you still don't need to give details — you can say, "I'm okay. I just need a few days to deal with it, and I'm hopeful that'll get things on the right track."

Good luck to both of you.

2. My boss doesn’t pay freelancers on time

I manage a team of freelance writers for an industry website. We’re a start-up and have a few full-time employees and a couple dozen freelancers. In the best of times, our finances are tight; with COVID, I know our ability to run payroll depends on sponsors paying on time (which doesn’t always happen).

My boss (the CEO/founder) has always tended to run payroll for freelancers later than what I would consider acceptable (90 days), and with COVID, we haven’t yet paid out for pieces that were invoiced for the beginning of the year. I’m incredibly uncomfortable with this, but I can’t run payroll myself and I don’t have eyes on every aspect of our finances. I’ve talked to my boss about this several times and for various reasons, freelancer payroll has been delayed as our own financial circumstances have changed. I’ve already started assigning fewer pieces than I would normally. I direct all questions from writers about payroll straight to my boss, since he has more insight into timing than I do (and he’s said it’s fine for me to connect him directly with writers), so they have a direct line of communication with my boss. What other agency do I have here, aside from continuing to talk to my boss and asking for updates? I feel so uncomfortable with this.

90 days in the best of times? That's … not good. And now the company still hasn't paid for pieces from the beginning of the year, so up to seven months?

Would you be willing to tell your boss you're not comfortable continuing to assign new pieces when pieces from seven months ago haven't been paid yet? Ideally you'd sit down with him and say something like, "We can't keep assigning out new work when we haven't paid for work from months ago. Can we put a hold on new assignments until we're caught up and can meet our promises to writers about when they'll receive payment?" And, if necessary, "I'm not comfortable assigning work knowing we probably won’t be able to pay for it in the timeframe people expect. If we can’t stop assigning new work until we're caught up, I want to be up-front with freelancers about the payment timeline before they accept a new assignment." (You can also just do that last part on your own if you want to.)

You could also point out to your boss that when word about this kind of thing gets around, your best writers will stop working for you, and it can take years to rebuild a good reputation with freelancers after that.

3. My toxic company wants my help four years after I left

I escaped from a very toxic work environment four years ago. Among my other duties, I was in charge of company social media profiles, as well as a few groups for industry professionals. Before I left, the company chose to delete some of the profiles, but two of the groups were left under my name. I tried to get them to transfer ownership of the groups several times, but no one ever did.

I left the groups alone for more than three years and just ignored the infrequent notifications I would receive when people asked to join. Throughout this time, the groups were completely inactive (no new posts by members), and no one ever reached out to me to take ownership back. It seems that all the digital assets I had built for them while I was there (several websites, training repositories, etc.) were left to rot, so I figured these groups were also abandoned.

A few months ago, I got fed up with the notifications and deleted the groups. Of course, today I received a message from a former coworker asking me to transfer the groups to him.

It’s been FOUR YEARS since I’ve been employed at that company, and I tried really hard to get them to take these things out from under my name. Because they are so toxic, I’m scared to respond to them — I cannot understate how abusive and awful my last months at that company were. I had PTSD symptoms for six months after leaving. I don’t know what to say, or if I should even respond to them at all. What should I do?

Ignore it. Delete their email and move on. It's been four years! You tried many times to contact them about this and they ignored you. You are under no obligation to respond to them four years later. For all they know, that email address might not even be active for you anymore, or you check it once a year, or you've gone off the grid and make your home in the forest now.

This wouldn’t be my advice if it had only been, say, five months. You do need to give former employers a grace period to get it together after you leave and to realize what they might still need from you. You shouldn’t do something permanent like deleting groups within a few months of leaving, even if they appear to be defunct.

But four years?! Four years! Ignore the email, consider blocking emails from their domain, and don't give it another thought.

4. Should I reply to candidates's post-interview thank-you emails?

When a candidate I've interviewed sends a thank-you email, is that something that I need to (or should) respond to? I wouldn't normally reply to a "thanks" email, like a reply from one of my employees for sending them something, because everyone already gets enough email. On the other hand, any time someone says "thank you" to me in person, I would respond with "you're welcome" or "my pleasure." I promise to follow your guidance on this issue whichever way you recommend.

It’s optional. You don’t need to, and many employers don't.  The etiquette is still similar to the etiquette for other thank-you's; if someone sends a thank-you note for a gift, you're not expected to then send them a thank-you for their thanks. While post-interview thank-you notes aren't really thank-you notes (or at least they shouldn't be when done well), the protocol is still similar.

However, if you have the time to reply, it's a kind and gracious gesture. And if it's a candidate you're wooing, I’d put more of a priority on responding since you want them to continue to feel connected and excited about the job. And if someone took the time to write a thoughtful, substantive note that truly built on the conversation you had in the interview, I’d acknowledge that too. It doesn’t need to be much — just something like, "It was great meeting you as well, and we'll be in touch soon."

5. Applying for a job when I have mutual connections with the hiring manager

I’m looking for some advice on how to navigate networking for a posted job when I have some connection to the hiring manager. In my current situation, I’ve spotted a position that I think I’m a good match for and it looks like a second degree connection from LinkedIn is on the hiring committee. We have 14 mutual connections and many of them have worked with both of us — the hiring manager used to work at my company so we know a lot of the same people. I’m wondering about the etiquette for leveraging this connection. After I apply, is it worth either reaching out to her to let her know I applied, or asking a mutual connection to put in a word, or is that too pushy and I should wait for an interview first?

Since you have mutual connections, the stronger move is to have one of them email the hiring manager and say something like, "I wanted to let you know my colleague Tangerina Stewpot has applied for your X position, and I think she could be great for the role because of XYZ." (But just have one person do this! If comes from a bunch of people, it looks like an orchestrated campaign and can be annoying.)

I need time off work because of my husband's alcoholism, boss doesn’t pay freelancers on time, and more was originally published by Alison Green on Ask a Manager.

should I negotiate a job offer on the spot or ask for time to think it over?

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 10:59 AM PDT

A reader writes:

I am currently in the process of interviewing, and it’s my first time doing so for jobs where salary negotiations would be expected to come into play. I have been able to find a lot of advice on how the offer negotiation conversation should go, but am (I’m sure very naively) unsure of when this is supposed to happen.

If a company calls with an offer, am I supposed to negotiate in that opening conversation? Or ask to take time to think about it, then come back and have a discussion after being able to look into things a little more? The second would be easier, but I’m not sure if it is in bad faith and makes it seem like my answer will be a yes or no instead of a negotiation. I’m sure I’m overthinking this but it’s giving me anxiety around the potential prospect of what should be a good thing (an offer)!

You can negotiate on the spot or you can ask for some time to consider the offer and get back to them. Either one is fine.

That said, if you can be prepared to negotiate on the spot, in some ways that can be better. If you ask for some time to think it over first and then you get back to them later with a counter-offer, you're building more time into the process — which isn't necessarily a problem, but you might be compressing the amount of time you have to make a final decision once you get their response to your counter. If the company is hoping for your decision within a week and you wait a couple of days before launching negotiations, you're cutting into that time. And that might be fine! But if you feel ready to talk salary on the spot, I would.

Ideally, before they make you an offer, you've already done your research on what salary range you'd be happy with and you've figured out how you'd respond to an offer $X or $Y. You definitely don't want to be starting that process from scratch once you get the offer, since it can take a while to get solid info that lets you really assess a salary offer and know what is and isn't reasonable. And if you've done that work ahead of time, it's very possible that when the employer calls with an offer, you'll be ready on the spot to say, "Any chance you could go up to $X?" or otherwise negotiate for what you want.

But if you're not prepared to do that — or you're the kind of person who prefers not to do things on the fly or you're about to be late for another call or whatever — it's fine to say, "I'm really excited to get this offer. Could I have a day or two to look it over and get back to you?"

should I negotiate a job offer on the spot or ask for time to think it over? was originally published by Alison Green on Ask a Manager.

update: a client sent me a thank-you check as a way to avoid paying my boss

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 09:29 AM PDT

Remember the letter-writer whose client sent her a large thank-you check as a way of avoiding paying her boss, with whom he was embroiled in much drama? The first update was here, and here’s the latest:

I wasn’t originally going to update again on this, but things went bananas, so I figured you’d like to hear since we are all a little entertainment deprived.

In my first update, I mentioned how I was hired by Gilbert to over see his homes on the side in addition to my full time job with Adam’s company. This originally was great, I was making more money, and the homes are built really well so the amount of times I had to fix something major was rare. Overall, an easy job. The payment plan me, Gilbert, and Adam worked out was going great as well, and they hadn’t had any issues with the way I was handling repairs and billing.

While I was working for Gilbert, we started another large project for him (the one mentioned in the previous update). Ho-boy did that affect things. Gilbert asked me to be the lead on this home (as a representative of Adam’s company, so my main job) since I did a great job managing the others, and having the background of actually building the home would make it easier to manage later on once it was done and a part of my property management duties. Adam agreed, and everything was great during the first half of the project.

During the process of building this home, both Gilbert and his wife completely changed. (In retrospect they didn’t, I was just too money blind to notice it before). They started to severely micromanage me while I was building the new project, which slowed the process by months. They were very difficult, rude, and aggressive, and frugal. They reluctantly paid bills from our office, and sometimes they would outwardly deny paying for things they were contractually obligated to pay (for example, they wanted to add a section to the project that would require a lot more money, they agreed, signed, and when the bill came pretended we were responsible for that). All of this was aggravating, but if they wanted to slow the progress on their job, there is nothing I can do about it. I spoke extensively with Adam about this during the whole process to make sure I was handling it appropriately, and to protect myself when they eventually turned on me (which they did).

Their behavior became so erratic that subcontractors refused to work with them due to their hostility and disrespect. I came on the job site one day and the wife was screaming at a painter because he was painting something white that was supposed to be green (it was primer!). I stepped in and asked her to leave because the painter was doing his job and there was no need to treat him like that. The guy doesn’t speak English, so he was very frazzled after this, understandably so. She refused to leave the job site and became aggressive toward other subcontractors as well, including throwing a paint brush at the painter, so I halted work on that site to protect everyone, and they all left. (Did I handle that right? I was a little scared myself and didn’t know what to do.) His wife, in her almost complete, multi-million dollar home, started crying and screaming that we had no idea how hard her life is (she has no job or responsibilities). She had a full on meltdown, toddler style. There is something about a billionaire’s wife crying about how hard her life is to people who make just over minimum wage that doesn’t sit right with my soul.

I left the home while she was raging and sent a text to her husband that he needed to check in on her because it seemed like she was having a nervous breakdown and I was worried about her safety. I didn’t engage with him when he called me about it later on because at this point I had a ton of evidence that wouldn’t go well. I went to the office and told Adam and our VP what happened. We talked it over, and I realized I couldn’t work for them in any capacity anymore. Naturally, his wife spun the incident and I received a hostile email from the husband full of lies about what went down (they claimed I screamed at her and that’s what made her snap). I sent a response email including a resignation letter and included his company’s HR in the process. I gave a notice period of two weeks, but they decided to end my job there immediately (thank God).

The home was completed by another associate of mine, so I was mostly able to wash my hands of that. This all mostly happened pre-coronavirus. Just this week though, I got an email from a former client letting me know that he ran into Gilbert at Publix, and while they were catching up, he went into a tirade about how this company that built his house bullied his wife and they were considering legal action. Gilbert had no idea we built this person’s house and have a great relationship (an actual great one!) with them. I told Adam and have met with our company lawyer, who all agreed that we would take action against him if they continued to spread lies on top of any litigation for the money they currently owe us. They suggested I send a cease and desist letter (slander or libel) but I haven’t decided if I’d like to go that route, as I’d rather rid myself of this all. I did suggest they speak with the painter she assaulted though, he was highly upset that day.

So, yeah! That was a wild one. I am otherwise doing well. I am not worried about this at all because Adam has made it clear he would protect me and I have no reason to believe otherwise. Our lawyer has also confirmed it would be difficult for him to even bring this to court. One funny thing though, Gilbert’s insistence on tarnishing my name actually did the opposite. He spoke so highly of me to his friends when I started working for him (because I was cheap, trustworthy, and efficient) that when they found out I was available they all called asking me to be their property manager. Seems like everyone knows he’s full of … crap. I will most likely not take another part-time gig though. This has soured me on the type of clientele we deal with and I’m realizing I just don’t like the entitlement we experience on a daily basis. Some of our clients are amazing, I even look up to them. However, most are cut from the same cloth as Gilbert and his wife, and I do not need that in my life, no matter the money.

One last thing. I mentioned money problems in my original letter due to problems with my spouse’s job. He has since left that company and started at another that he LOVES. We were planning on purchasing a home this year, but we will probably wait til the virus is long gone to do that.

Stay safe! And thank you to you and your readers for the consistent insight and support.

update: a client sent me a thank-you check as a way to avoid paying my boss was originally published by Alison Green on Ask a Manager.

how can I be less emotionally invested during my job search?

Posted: 30 Jul 2020 07:59 AM PDT

It’s the Thursday “ask the readers” question. A reader writes:

I am about a year into my job search and it’s really wearing on me emotionally. I finished grad school about a year ago in a STEM-related (but not lucrative) field. I am trying to stay in the area where my partner lives and it has been hard. I find myself getting overly invested in the jobs that I apply to. There have also been a couple of jobs where I got to the end of a process, which was an all day interview on site, and then got ghosted by the employer or got an automated HR rejection letter. These incidents happened a couple of months ago and I am still mad. Not that I didn’t get the job, though I was disappointed, but that after multiple stages they couldn’t send me a quick but personal rejection.

I know it’s not helpful to get upset about this kind of stuff during the hiring process. I have read your advice and know that I should assume I will not get the job and put it out of my mind after I apply. But I can’t seem to implement it. I know that the emotional investment is not helping, rejections are sending me into spirals, but everything just feels so high stakes right now. Every opportunity feels like the last one I will get. How do I let go and be more detached?

Readers, what’s your advice?

how can I be less emotionally invested during my job search? was originally published by Alison Green on Ask a Manager.

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